I cannot be the only one to regret things regarding Duran Duran, am I? Like many people out there, Duran Duran was placed on the back burner in the mid-late 90s. There were a variety of reasons for this, including not being wowed at a concert I saw in 1993, being and graduating from college, starting my career, and completing graduate school. I was pretty busy during that time of my life and didn’t have any extra money at all. Of course, it didn’t help that my favorite band member, John Taylor, left the band. I didn’t completely ignore Duran and Duranland as I watched shows like Storytellers when it aired and saw various TV performances during the Medazzaland era. That said, I didn’t follow a lot of what John Taylor was up to. In many ways, I couldn’t as I didn’t even have a computer at home when I graduated from college! That’s how broke I was!! Anyway, I regret not following his career at that point as I would have loved to see him perform during his solo days. Those gigs were small and looked to be a ton of fun. Thus, I have to admit regretting that. I wasn’t able to participate much during the reunion, either, due to finishing my master’s degree. Thus, when I had the chance to dive back in, I did in 2004. I was determined to do as much as I could. That motto remains with me to this day. I don’t want to look back and regret any other era of Duran even when I wasn’t excited about an album (*coughRCMcough*).
It seems to me that there are other fans who are like me in that they look back and regret their non-involvement. These regrets could be as upsetting as missing a whole era or they could be missing out on a tour. Based on today’s response to my question about a song to hear live, there are many people who missed a tour and missed hearing/seeing one of their favorite songs performed live. Obviously, Duran doesn’t play the exact same songs every night during a tour so it is possible that people saw a tour but didn’t have a specific song on the setlist(s) for the show(s) they went to. Yet, some songs were played consistently during specific tours. Then, what about this idea that Duran might be done in 5 or 10 years. While I don’t even want to think about it at all, I have to acknowledge that they cannot continue forever. They can’t. Thus, I can’t wait until the next show, the next tour. I have to do as much as I can NOW. I don’t want to have any regrets ever again when it comes to this band!
As Rhonda and I plan for the summer tour, I am keeping this in mind. There are many goals that I haven’t been able to fulfill yet. For example, I haven’t seen a show from front row. I haven’t gotten photos with the band except for one picture with Nick that I shared with my friend. I don’t have any guitar picks or drumsticks. Now, of course, I can’t control my seats or meeting the band, but I can only try and that means going to shows. I won’t regret if I don’t get those front row seats or pictures but I will regret if I don’t try.
Of course, not everyone is going to be satisfied. For example, not everyone got the email. While that is a problem, the information was shared widely within a few minutes. Another complaint is when and where they are going. People don’t have shows near them. I understand this, but the band cannot cover every place in North America. Other people are choosing to sit this one out for various reasons, including family vacation plans, not liking the setlists, and not wanting to ruin memories from a previous great show. Nonetheless, I don’t think the fans really can offer anything less than praise here, even if the tour won’t work for individual people.
This email gave us tour dates for shows that won’t take place for another 4 months!!!! This is unheard of in Duranland. In most cases, in recent times, we have gotten dates 6-8 weeks ahead of a tour. People can plan easier with less stress, including knowing how much money needs to be saved. Can we ask for anything more? Of course, it will be interesting to see how the presales go. Will they be announced in advance? How soon in advance? It seems to me that we will have some time before the presales happen. I would suspect that most of the presales will happen the week that the public sale happens. As with anything else happening in Duranland, I’m sure we will be commenting!
Now, Rhonda and I have to figure out what we can do. Right now, we have tickets to Durham and will be building a tour around that show. On top of that, we have been missing the old Duranie Dorms (group rate at hotels). Therefore, we would like to know how interested people are in doing that. Likewise, we hope to get meetups planned for shows as well. So, what shows are people planning on doing? Would people be interested in doing Duranie Dorms? Meetups?
I have to admit that I love when tour dates come out! I love the excitement in the fan community! I love planning! I love having a tour to look forward to! To me, this is best part of Duranland! In this case, the planning is even more fun since people cannot complain about the band and the team behind them! It is less stressful because of the notice. It is fabulous!!!! Thank you DDHQ!!!
We have received numerous requests to give fans an idea of where the band will be this spring and summer. Unfortunately we are still confirming exact details for a number of dates but wanted to let you know the cities we will be visiting. Dates that have been announced will have the venue listed and additional details can be found in the TOUR section of www.duranduranmusic.com. Venue, on-sale and pre-sale details (as they become available) will be posted on the front page of www.duranduranmusic.com.
Apr 28 Brasilia, Brazil Nilson Nelson (Tickets on sale now)
Apr 30 Rio De Janeiro, Brazil Citibank Hall (Tickets on sale now)
May 02 Sao Paulo, Brazil Credicard Hall (Tickets on sale now)
May 04 Buenos Aires, Argentina Luna Park (Tickets on sale now)
May 05, Buenos Aires, Argentina Luna Park (Tickets on sale now)
May 08 Santiago, Chile Espacio Riesco (Tickets on sale now)
Jun 25 Wroclaw – Poland (venue tba)
Jun 27 Prague, Czech Republic – O2 Arena (Tickets on sale now)
Jun 28 Budapest – Hungary – Papp László Budapest Sport Arena (Tickets on sale now)
Jul 4 Berlin – Germany (venue tba)
Jul 6 Thessaloniki, Greece – Earth Open Air (Tickets on sale April 5th. Pre-sale tba)
Jul 9 Istanbul – Turkey (venue tba)
Jul 12 Belgrade – Serbia – Exit Festival (Tickets on sale now. No Pre-sale)
Jul 14 Ljubljana -Slovenia (venue tba)
Jul 16 Verona – Italy Verona Arena (Tickets on sale now)
Jul 18 Roma – Italy – Foro Italico (Tickets on sale now)
Jul 20 Cattolica – Italy – Arena Della Regina (Pre-sale March 30th at 10am local time. Login www.duranduranmusic.com and visit the European Pre-sale link)
Jul 21 Lucca – Italy – Piazza Napoleone (Tickets on sale now)
Jul 23 Carcasonne – France – Festival de Carcassonne (Tickets on sale now)
Jul 25 Monaco – Monaco – Sporting Club (Details tba)
Jul 27 London – England (venue tba)
Aug 8 Saratoga, CA (venue tba)
Aug 9 Saratoga, CA (venue tba)
Aug 11 Costa Mesa, CA (venue tba)
Aug 12 Tucson, AZ (venue tba)
Aug 15 Catoosa, OK (venue tba)
Aug 17 Memphis Botanical Gardens Memphis, TN (Details tba)
Aug 18 Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Biloxi, MS (Details tba)
Aug 19 Atlanta GA (venue tba)
Aug 21 Durham Performing Arts Center – Durham, NC (Pre-sale now at United States pre-sale link at www.duranduranmusic.com)
Aug 24 Mashantucket, CT (venue tba)
Aug 25 Atlantic City, NJ (venue tba)
Aug 28 Kettering, OH (venue tba)
Aug 29 Ravinia Festival Highland Park, IL
** NOTE: Stay tuned for information regarding additional shows as they are confirmed. Always check the NEWS page under the band photo at www.duranduranmusic.com.
** NOTE: If a date (above) is not yet on the official website it will be soon. We wanted our members to be the first to have this information.
** NOTE: Unfortunately we do not have ANY information about cities not listed here. If we receive information it will be posted on the TOUR page
Looking forward to seeing you at the shows!
More on our reaction tomorrow!!!
Today’s blog was originally entitled “He can’t dance and so can you!” (If you’re a Stephen Colbert fan, you might chuckle. If you’re not then, well…I sound like an idiot.) That blog has since been pre-empted for the following breaking news:
(so this part isn’t the breaking news….)
I was in the car headed to drop off my son this morning to school and broke his “no music” rule for in the morning. I should explain that he’s on the autistic spectrum (he’s high functioning though and you wouldn’t even know he was on the spectrum if I didn’t tell you), and if there is one thing that gets him in a horrible mood quicker than anything, it’s music in the morning. He’s a grouch in the morning, and to him, pop music is just a bunch of noise. I think his brain has a hard time with organizing it all first thing in the morning. I’m sort of the same way – I like peace and quiet (which is IMPOSSIBLE in my house) when I first get up. We listen to talk radio in the morning on that 10 minute drive to school just so that there’s relative peace in the car. Anyway, this morning I broke the rule and had Shadows On Your Side on. I have always loved that song – in fact it’s probably one of my favorites off of Seven and the Ragged Tiger (SATRT for those Duranese speakers out there…) Little did I realize that the song would be indicative of the day ahead.
(Here’s the breaking news!)
I’m sure many of you have seen the little love note that was posted on the band’s website this morning. If not, you can find it here: (there’s a link for those of you anal Duranies out there that don’t believe a single thing unless you read it directly on the band’s website – I know you’re out there!)
I’ll give you all a second to read through the dates. Go ahead…you know you wanna!
March 29th, 2012
Sun 24 Jun
Mon 25 Jun Wroclaw – Poland
Tue 26 Jun
Wed 27 Jun Prague, Czech Republic
Thu 28 Jun Budapest – Hungary
Fri 29 Jun
Sat 30 Jun
Sun 01 Jul
Mon 02 Jul
Tue 03 Jul
Wed 04 Jul Berlin – Germany
Thu 05 Jul
Fri 06 Jul Theseloniki – Greece
Sat 07 Jul
Sun 08 Jul
Mon 09 Jul Istanbul – Turkey
Tue 10 Jul
Wed 11 Jul
Thu 12 Jul Belgrade – Serbia – Exit
Fri 13 Jul
Sat 14 Jul Ljubljana -Slovenia
Sun 15 Jul
Mon 16 Jul Verona – Italy
Tue 17 Jul
Wed 18 Jul Roma Foro Italico – Italy
Thu 19 Jul
Fri 20 Jul Cattolica – Italy
Sat 21 Jul Lucca – Italy
Sun 22 Jul
Mon 23 Jul Carcasonne – France
Tue 24 Jul
Wed 25 Jul Monaco – Monaco
Thu 26 Jul
Fri 27 Jul London – England
Sat 28 Jul
Ok not really. Well, this isn’t the diary, anyway. I am sitting here at my table, trusty mug of coffee (second mug of the day, which *never* happens here) within reach…and not a single writing inspiration has come to mind. I hate when this happens. So, I reached out to the only people I know for topic ideas. Some of which were downright amusing! (and you can bet I’ll be writing that critique of a certain bandleaders dancing very, very soon!) I already have the title in my head…
But for today my friends, we’re going to talk about fandom. I hear the cheers and I thank you. (A little sarcasm to start my day. Ah yes.)
Seriously (a word I use far too often but don’t care enough to change today) though, Amanda and I have been kicking around an idea for a few months now and it’s really high time to share our thoughts. Not that many years back when DDM was first started, the idea – well the idea that fans had anyway, was to create a real community. Does anyone remember back when VIP tickets gained you entry to a pre-show party? A little known truth about me: I liked them. I liked feeling a little special, to be honest. That said, I’m one of those people who loves valet parking. I love having my bags taken to my room rather than schlepping them myself…and if there’s a side entrance somewhere that I have access to use that others don’t, it makes me smile. I suppose I am exactly whom DDM wants to market those VIP tickets….too bad I’m not a DDM member these days, isn’t it?!? ANYWAY, my point is simply that while the party itself might have been a smidgeon on the lame side, the idea was good. The party allowed concert goers to chat, visit, take photos with long-lost friends, and at least the idea was supposed to make us feel special. The key for me though (besides feeling a bit exclusive and pampered) was the feeling of community. At that point, DDM went to the trouble to set up Duranie “dorms” – basically calling a hotel and getting a group rate so that interested parties could take advantage. This served several purposes: it directed many DDM members to the same hotel so that plans could be made, parties could be set up, and as a bonus – many of us could get kicked out of hotel bars. Good times. It also tended to deter people from staying at other hotels that may or may not have housed members of the band. *gasp!* I can’t honestly remember how many times my friends and I took advantage of the “dorms” (maybe only once or twice?), but I really liked the idea. So many times after a show we’re looking to get together with friends for drinks – none of us are ready to call it a night after such great shows – and having a central place to hang out and continue the evening seemed perfect. Sure, I know as well as you do that many want to go and find the band, and that option is always available, but for those like me who rarely know when or where – hanging with friends seems like the more viable alternative. I’m sure the band appreciates that.
Unfortunately, somewhere along the line – the whole sense of community has been lost. Naturally, this isn’t ONLY due to the mechanics of DDM, but it’s something that Amanda and I both feel could be improved, which is where she and I come in. Part of the reason we started the blog was because we felt that there needed to be a place that topics could be discussed without judgement. Sure, there are times when we all disagree. That happens. It shouldn’t mean that we can’t find common ground, and in our case – it’s the band. No matter what each of feels about the guitar players over the years, the management, the choices in singles, promotion, etc – we all still love the band. That’s enough to build on, and is the other part of the reason the blog was started. We want to bring fans together. We’re not all going to be best friends. That isn’t the point or the goal. If the paid “official” fan community can’t see past the dollar signs enough to build a community, we can do it ourselves….and better because we know what it’s like to be a fan.
I can’t speak for everyone, but it’s become clear to me that unless someone stands up and decides to bridge the gap between the DDM mechanics of getting to a show (i.e. buying tickets) and what it really means to be a fan and enjoy fandom, our community is lost. While the show themselves may never completely lose their luster, the other half of what makes it fun to be a fan will be gone. The shows where I have gone by myself with my husband are fun, but there’s something very special about attending a show where there are other friends in attendance. I have as much fun in planning the before and after get togethers as I do in plotting how I’m going to get my escape from my house! I am a fan. Amanda is a fan. We know what we like, and we’re betting that our thoughts aren’t going to be all that dissimilar to yours.
To begin with, we’re waiting for US concert dates. (We’ve got to start in the US purely because it’s where we live and what we know) It’d be great if the band would work with us on this and send them – but seeing as we’re just fans trying to do the work that their own fan community has completely dropped the ball on – we’re not counting on a single thing except our own determination. (However, if somebody wants to send us some hints, we’ll gladly take ’em and get our planning started so that we can seem organized….*wink, wink*) Once we know the dates of the shows, we really want to work to get “dorms” set up if there are people interested. In addition, we’re going to set up more meet-ups for fans, whether they are before or after the shows, and we’re going to have fun even if it kills us. We want you, our friends, fellow fans, readers, etc….to tell us what, where and when.
(I’m pretty certain Amanda is going to love that last sentence.)
No, we’re not getting paid by anyone. No, we’re not getting free tickets to the shows. No, we haven’t lost our grip on reality, quit our jobs or sold our possessions (and as such no, we’re not going to be able to be at every single show. We need your help!) We just want to make this community fun again. That’s it. If you have ideas, want to help out or just plain want to bitch at us – email us at firstname.lastname@example.org or leave a comment. You know we’ll answer you!
Watch this space…
PS – we’re going to do something different on the blog, and by different I mean that YOU can ask US questions. Have something you’re dying to ask? Send us an email, talk to us on Facebook, send us a Direct Message on Twitter (otherwise we’ll miss it). Amanda and I will answer your questions on an upcoming blog. By “upcoming” I mean in a week or so – no DuranTime here – so get your thinking caps on and send us some creative questions!
I found out about the presale from a phone call from Rhonda who found out from Julie, one of our readers. Apparently, it was also “announced” on the band’s twitter. I didn’t see it on their facebook, however. Now, I’m a member of DDM and have been since 2004. Why don’t they send emails to their members when presales are announced? Do they assume that everyone goes over to DDM on a daily basis? (I don’t, by the way, especially since there rarely is information provided that way and the boards are soooooo….slow.) Anyway, luckily, someone was paying attention and was kind enough to point it out to us. (Thanks, Julie!) So, now we are about 15 hours or so from the start of the presale. What information do we know? Pretty much NOTHING. We know that there will be two ticket options from Artist Arena: the regular ticket price and the enhanced merchandise bundle ticket. Are prices given for these options? Nope. Do they describe the possible location for these options? Nope. Do they give details about what is included in the merch bundle? Nope. I had to look at ticketmaster to have an idea of what the ticket prices MIGHT be. Why should I have to search that much? Why isn’t it given? Why don’t we know where the tickets will be located, in general? Is this enhanced merch the new name for VIP? If so, can I assume that the tickets will be in the first few rows? Honestly, the customer service here sucks. Yes, yes, Artist Arena, at least, says exactly where your seats will be when you add seats to your “shopping cart”. That is literally the only good thing about them that I can find.
Back in the good old days of DDM (and I can’t believe I’m saying that or believing that!), there were VIP packages and there were Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 and sometimes more. VIP included the first 5 rows, merch, a chance for a meet and greet, and a preshow party. It wasn’t cheap but…at least you knew exactly what you were getting. Tier 1 tickets would also be specified. Before the presale began, you would know exactly which sections and rows were included for Tier 1. They were the same as the regular priced tickets but you could get 6th-15th row, at least in my experience. The other tiers would be further back or in the balcony. Again, though, you would know exactly how much those tickets were and where those seats would be located. Thus, you could get decent seats through DDM without buying VIP. I truly don’t think that is the case now that they are using Artist Arena. For example, for LA this past year, I tried to get regular seats and got something like 32nd row. Many people I know tried to get seats for the Chicago show that way and couldn’t get any. They didn’t have many seats under the regular ticket heading and I’m not sure how many VIPs they had either.
While I can understand having a couple of dates out there before the rest of the tour is announced, I don’t get why Artist Arena is so pathetic with their information. I also don’t get why the presale wasn’t announced everywhere. I don’t get why members weren’t alerted. Don’t they want to sell these tickets? Don’t they want to create excitement? Then, why can’t they give information about the prices, the merch, the seating locations? They must know it and, if they don’t, why the heck not? Thus, Rhonda and I still don’t really know what the best plan for us is. Do we buy tickets tomorrow? If so, will we regret it later when we find a different group of shows to go to? Which tickets do we try for? I don’t know. I’m beyond frustrated, though. I realize that the band members themselves aren’t doing this. I realize that it is Artist Arena and DDM that has created such a bad situation for us fans. I am sure that the band isn’t even checking on these groups but have people to do that for them. That said, it ends up making THEM look badly and will eventually chase a lot more people away besides the large number of people who left a long time ago.
Come on, DDM and Artist Arena, you can do better than this! Come on, the Duran Duran machine, check on who you have working for the band. Make sure that they are doing a quality job. Do it before people walk away for good.
The first interview I saw the other day was from an interview with John and Simon at the Mix 94.5. You, too, can view the interview here. I was a little confused when I clicked on it to view as they had one clip labeled as Duran Duran In Full. Yet, below the video were other clips of them to view that were not included in the video “In Full”. I highly recommend watching all of the clips. Overall, I thought that both Simon and John looked relaxed and seemed in good spirits. They didn’t seem to mind any of the questions and seemed to be enjoying their time in Australia. The interviewer asked some familiar questions, but some questions that were not as common. This probably is the best way to approach interviewing a band that is fairly well known to a lot of people but maybe not to everyone.
Some of the questions include how big of shows they have played, how they replace the love they feel on stage when they are not on stage, what moments in the band’s history that they wished they had captured but didn’t, how invested they were in those early videos, what happened with Simon’s sailing adventures, what John knows about sailing, what they do during their free time on tour, how well they can get around without having people recognize them, what the rivalry between Duran and Spandau was like, how popular Duran was in Australia, what they would tell their daughters about guys like themselves in 1980s, what they think about social media, what music they are listening to and more. They also asked them a series of “quickie” questions that they weren’t suppose to answer with a lot of detail, which was unfortunate as some I definitely wished for more info!
Some answers that I was most interested in included when John said that there is no longer big gigs or small gigs, instead the current show is just THE gig. Simon pointed out that if they are committed to making this current show the best show, then they know that they entertained the people. Another response that caught my attention is Simon talked about how people dealt with the capsizing of Drum back in 1985 that could have resulted in a very bad outcome for Simon and the rest of the crew. For the first time ever, I heard Simon acknowledge how much people struggled, emotionally, to that event. Some people clearly showed that it was traumatic and some never returned to sailing after that. This, I suppose, says something about Simon that he was able to overcome whatever emotions he had to get back on the boat and to still loving sailing today. Of course, I was curious as to what their answer might be to whether or not they get recognized walking around and how they deal with it. Simon said that he gives off vibes to show that he is not approachable whereas John said that people could give off signals that says I am exactly who you think I am, approach me now. Fascinating. Would that translate to that Simon would not be friendly if you saw him out in public but John would? I don’t know, but it does make me wonder. As far as the question about what to tell their daughters about guys like themselves, John sort of avoided the question by saying he hoped it would never happen and Simon said that you can’t tell them to avoid guys like them because then you might be pushing them into a worse situation. Are these statements an insight into their general parenting? I don’t know but I can wonder. Some of their answers during the “quickie” questions were fun, including that Nick takes the longest to get ready, John likes bacon when “hungry like the wolf” and Simon like porridge. Of course, the answer I wished they had explained was that they recognize “regular fans who follow they around”. How many fans do they recognize? How many fans would fit into this category? How would they define “follow around”? Two or more shows on tour? 10 shows a tour? Would these be fans they seen at places outside of the concert venue? Oh, to be able to ask follow up questions…
The other interview I saw was on Mix 102.3 and can be seen here. This interview unlike the previous one was that it was just John and the interviewer was a fan who had won a contest. Before I talk about the interview itself, can I just say how many of us would love, love, love to interview one or more band members? Anyway, I thought she did a good job. I would have been horribly nervous, especially if it was John who I had the chance to interview! I wish that there wasn’t music playing in the background because they made it difficult to hear, at times. The interview starts with a question about Diamond in the Mind, the upcoming DVD. I wish that John said exactly when it will be out, how to purchase it, etc. but, alas, he didn’t. He did say that he believes it will be on TV in Australia! How cool! I would love if that happens here! Then, the next question was in regards to the upcoming tour plans. Nothing was said beyond Europe in the summer. John was asked about what tours/bands/artists he wished he had seen but didn’t. His answer was very John Taylor with talking about Chic, Sex Pistols, David Bowie, the Beatles, etc. The next question was about accessibility to music now with the ability to download and the internet. The final question was about whether or not John had a bucket list. He talked about places he would like to travel to and sexual positions he still hasn’t tried! Naughty!
Overall, I enjoyed both of these interviews. I like getting a little insight into what they think and do. I also like that they take me away from all of the drama that comes with being part of Duranland. For 5, 10 or 15 minutes, I forget about presales and I forget about drama between fans. I just get to smile, laugh and enjoy Duran. Just what I needed on a day like today!
I have a Duran Duran scrapbook. This scrapbook isn’t filled with magazine clips but with documents from my touring experiences. I wanted to have it all to refer back to. Thus, when thinking about how Duran has been doing tour date releases and presales, I referred back to the actual documents! (Do you think it is obvious that I have a history degree and worked in museums and archives?!) Now, the first tour that I could go back and look at is the 2005 Spring US Astronaut Tour. I wasn’t able to participate in any of the 2003 reunion shows as I was finishing up my action research project for my master’s degree. Then, the band didn’t really tour in 2004. Yes, they played a few random dates here in the States but it wasn’t a tour. Thus, the first one I know anything about is that Astronaut tour.
The Spring 2005 Astronaut tour was announced on December 5, 2004. On that date, they posted 40 dates that began on February 8th, a full 2 month before. My first presale took place on December 8th, 3 days after the shows were announced. They did end up adding at least one date after that announcement and after those presales as they added Milwaukee in January. That presale happened on January 27th for a shows that was taking place on March 19th. The next tour was for that summer of 2005. In this case, at least one show was announced before the rest and that show was Dayton. Those tickets went on sale on May 7th but DDM did not sell regular tickets, just VIP tickets. The rest of that summer tour was announced on April 29, 2005, for a tour that began in July. The presales took place on or around May 17th. The next tour here was in the fall of 2006. The first date that was released and it was released by itself was for the Voodoo Festival at the end of October and was announced May 8th with a presale that day. Later, they added a few dates like the one I went to in Chicago before Voodoo. Those shows were announced in early September with a presale on the 13th.
2007 saw the fan only show in New York City on June 17th. That show was announced on May 2nd. For that show, there was a lottery that lasted until May 6th so people who were interested would put in a request.
Then, the tickets were purchased on May 13th. Of course, 2007 also saw the Broadway run again in New York City from November 1-12. A press release about this run was posted on September 27th. I don’t honestly know when the presale was because I was not planning on going. Thus, I didn’t participate but later bought tickets from someone to go. Later in 2007, Duran did a few shows around Christmas. I don’t have information for that tour, despite going to a show in Chicago. The band did a larger tour in 2008. For that tour, they announced all of the dates at the same time. The presales were in mid-March for a tour that was at the end of April. They also played a small tour again at the end of 2008. Those shows were announced in a press release on October 3 and they released all of them all at once. Presales took place on or around the 8th. 2009 saw a few dates during the summer. In this case, they informed us fans about the show in Orange County, California, before the rest on April 6th. The presale for that show was on April 7th. Later on April 27th, they added more dates. Those presales were on or around April 28th. All of those shows were taking place in July.
2011 saw two tours of the States. The first one was in the Spring and announced on February 27th, which included most of the dates, which began April 2nd. They added at least one how later. The first round of presales was March 2nd. The fall tour was, as I’m sure we all remember, by using social networking on August 2nd. Presales were on or around August 11th. That said, the date for Atlanta was announced much, much earlier. Let’s summarize my archives:
Announced almost all dates December 5, 2004
Presales began December 8, 2004
Shows began February 8, 2005
Announced one show in early-mid April
Announced rest of shows on April 29th
Shows in July
Announced Voodoo Fest May 8th
Presale for Voodoo same day
Announced other shows in early September
Presale on September 13th
Shows at end of October
Fan Show 2007:
Announced May 2nd
Lottery until May 6th
Show June 17th
Broadway Run 2007:
Announced September 27th
Presale information unknown
Shows November 1-12th
Christmas Shows 2007:
Announced March for all shows
Presales in mid-March
Shows began at the end of April
Shows announced all at once on October 3rd
Presales on October 8th
Shows start on December 1st
Orange County announced on April 6th
Presale on April 7th
Rest of dates announced on April 27th
Presales began on April 28th
Shows in July
Most shows announced on February 27th
Presales on March 2nd
Shows began April 2nd
Announced through social networking on August 2nd
Presales around August 11th
Shows begin at end of September
What do we learn from doing this? Generally, they do announce most or all of a tour at the same time, but there has been many exceptions from 2006 on. Tours are generally announced 6 weeks to 2 months before it takes place. Presales can begin as quickly as a day or two after to a week or so after an official press release. Now, that we have looked at what is traditionally done, how is Duran right now in terms of a summer 2012 tour of the US?
Do we know all of the dates yet? Absolutely not. Based on this information and when the tour actually starts, we may not know until June. I don’t know about you but that sounds horribly painful. If we do get the dates before that, we should appreciate that because it truly isn’t common. That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out the rest of the dates in a huge chunk with all of most of the dates listed. Then, we will have to be prepared for presales as they could happen very quickly. Comparing the historical pattern to right now, Duran seems to be pretty typical. Of course, the real question is: Is that good enough? I guess that is for each of us to decide for ourselves. I can only speak for myself, though, when I say that I would really like them to break out of these patterns and announce the rest of these shows sooner rather than later!!! It would send a message to the fans that they really do care about what we want and need in order to not only be happy Duranies but to best support the band!!
I’ve been working on a new blog submission for another site – Andy Taylor’s site actually. (If you haven’t checked it out, you really should. He’s doing some great things over there!) It isn’t really in the same vein as my Daily Duranie blogs, as this particular blog has more to do with the music industry in general from a fan’s prospective. I really need to tighten my writing up a bit and sound like I know what I’m talking about. Yesterday I spent some time in the morning trying to get it finished. At one point, I happened to glance at my Facebook account and noticed that Duran Duran had snuck – and I do mean SNUCK – a newly minted concert date up on their Facebook page. No fanfare, no “Hey guys – here’s a new US date for you!”, nothing. Just the date (and probably a hasty retreat before the complaints began to roll in!). I’m pretty sure I wasn’t the only one to take a while to notice the date, because at the time the post had already been up for a couple hours and there were less than ten comments underneath the posting.
Immediately my brain started processing the information. The show is on August 21st in North Carolina. That’s only across the country from me. (Listen, when you’ve flown over a large ocean to see them, crossing the continent tends to seem pretty easily done!) Of course I emailed Amanda straight away – the title of said email? You’re going to love this – “THIS IS AN OFFICIAL DURANIE ALERT!” That always tends to grab her attention, and of course this time was no exception.
Guess how much more of that blog for Andy’s site got edited and completed yesterday? Yeah, none. I rock that way.
There are several stages that I go through whenever a date is announced. The first is interest and excitement. “Oh wow, here we go again!” Then, there’s annoyance. “It’s on a TUESDAY. A Tuesday. Really guys? How am I going to make THAT work?” Then there’s worry. “How am I going to convince my husband to stay at home again. How am I going to justify going across the country AGAIN to see this stupid band?” (yes, I really did say that. Sorry…these things just come out!!) Then I just get mad. “Those F*CKERS. They only gave us ONE date. One. Their tour announcements are like a damn coffee drip! How can I plan when I don’t know where else they’re even going, when the tour starts, when it stops, etc?!?” (Again, sorry…like I said, these things just come out!!) Then I typically write something to Amanda that goes a little something like this, “You know, I’m just not going this time. I can’t. That week is school registration, I have no way of getting the kids where they need to go without involving my mother, and that’s going to be a pain. I’m going to have to miss the show and they’ll just have to play Hungry Like the Wolf to someone else this time.” Then I sniff, looking down my nose at my laptop, and fold my arms, annoyed at the entire process.
Of course later that day, Amanda will generally call me and by then I will have settled down a bit. I will have listened to All You Need is Now or some other song and realized that of course I’m going. I can’t NOT go at this point. I’m not going to miss out on an opportunity to see them. The trouble is, how to plan.
This is what I desperately need the band to understand, yet I very much realize I’m writing this completely in vain. Consider this part of my therapy I guess. The fact is, and I know this is difficult to believe, you’ve got fans who are willing to travel to see you. Some might be traveling a couple hours, some might be traveling across the state, and still others might be completely insane (points to herself) and will travel across the country if necessary and appropriate. (Truth be told, I’d travel even if it weren’t necessary, but that’s another blog.)
It’s become reasonably clear to me over the years that I’ve been a fan that for whatever reason – your management, or the people who run the Duran Duran Machine, tend to give dates one at a time. Maybe they don’t have all the information solidified. Maybe they really have no idea where you’re going and when. Maybe they don’t care about the fans. I get that. I mean, it’s business and the whole fan thing – well, let’s be honest – we’re a little overwhelming, aren’t we? I know. There are a ton of people who come to your shows that are not insane. They do not own every single poster, t-shirt, album, single, CD…calendar or even Christmas ornament that you’ve ever agreed to do. Those people don’t need more than a day or two notice for tickets to go on sale. They don’t insist on presales, and they don’t even insist on good seats. They are probably your bread and butter because again, lets be honest, the hard core fans aren’t THAT numerous. We don’t fill arenas, even though we like to believe we do. I’m still shocked that the vast majority of the people who come to your shows want to hear Hungry Like the Wolf and don’t even know Secret Oktober!!! (Please note the sarcasm there…)
The trouble is though, there are still those of us who DO all of those things. We’re long time, long term fans. We’re not going anywhere, and I think that to a large degree, we’ve proven our loyalty over the years. I don’t think we necessarily need to be rewarded for that (although sometimes it probably sounds as though I do, and I apologize.), but I do think some mutual respect is probably warranted, along with a generous portion of balance and moderation (HA!). While yes, many of us are very over the top, raucous (I use this word whenever possible because of the simple fact that Roger Taylor called US fans raucous once, and I think that’s funny. And true!) and probably extremely high maintenance, there IS something that could be done to help, especially when it comes to tour dates. It’s a small thing, but I really do believe it might help a teeny tiny bit.
I have no idea what it takes to put a tour together. Yes, a lot of it SOUNDS simple enough, but I think it’s probably wildly unfair for fans (including me) to assume it’s just about putting dates on a calendar. There’s the whole logistics thing, there are contracts to sign, insurance to gather and a million details that make me start to itch just thinking about them. I’m pretty sure that most of us feel as though it’s all about us (isn’t it?!?), and we don’t think about the thousands of moving parts that make this all work. We also tend to forget that yes, no matter how perfect we all think you are, you’re in fact…human. (I hear gasping from around the world…) I also know that many fans honestly believe you all sit around someone’s kitchen table and decide where you’re going to go on tour. There are still others that believe giving out one date at a time is done on purpose. Why? I suppose it could create a false sense of demand. If there’s only one date to buy tickets – more fans will buy tickets to that one show. The trouble is, when other dates are released, those fans get really angry. I happen to known this first hand. It’s impossible to plan, and yet we really DO want to be able to go to shows and be supportive. Perhaps I just need to befriend the right people to get the information ahead of time. (More sarcasm is just what we need!!)
The truth is, most of us sit around and try to figure out what you’re going to do next. Where you’re going to go on the next “leg” of your tour. How long you’re going to be in any one place. Whether you’ll stay the night somewhere or move on to the next stop. Hell, some people even try to figure out where you’re staying!! (more gasping I’m sure) Speculation is part of the hobby, I guess. Some people pride themselves on finding out the information, then telling the rest of us in some sort of glorified tone of “I told you so.” It’s annoying. Amanda and I are typically among the last to know the news. Yes, we’re bloggers. I never said we were journalists. 😀 So, my point is that it’s become quite a sport to try and figure you, the band, out. I especially enjoy when real news will finally be released and someone will always say “Oh, I knew about that WEEKS ago. The told me. I just didn’t want to share the info. I couldn’t. I swore I wouldn’t.” That’s when the rest of us, including me, are rolling our eyes in disgust, and in the next breath scrambling to try and figure out how we can or can’t get to whatever show or appearance is announced. It’s tiresome and frustrating.
That one thing that might help? Assuming of course that for whatever reason, giving out all of the dates, places and information at one time can’t be done. Well, I know this is going to be tough to believe, but I’ve been a fan of other bands before. (Do I hear more gasps out there?!) Granted, Duran Duran is at the top of the heap, but I do take notice of a few others out there. In quite a few of those cases, they’ll actually give us information. For instance, one of the bands often says something like this “Hey guys, we’re going on tour! We’re planning to be in the US from until about . We’re hoping to start the tour in and end it . We don’t have firm cities and dates for you yet, but check back soon – as soon as we have them, we’ll share! Sure, it’s not huge. It’s not even firm information because as most of us realize, things change. Now I know, you run the risk of feeling the wrath of fans out there if those dates change – and that’s true. People can be crazy and incredibly unforgiving at times. I’ll be honest, I don’t necessarily think that piece of it can be helped because some people really believe that if the band announces it – it’s set in stone. That said, in the fan community I’m thinking of that makes those kinds of announcements – I really don’t see the type of anxiety or anger that I see in our own. Perhaps it’s because I’m not as close, but I also think it’s because the information isn’t thrown at them in the way it is with Duran Duran. It’s simply food for thought.
Now, I’m posting this knowing that I’ll be receiving all kinds of hate mail from other fans. I’m sure I’ll get many “That’ll never work.” or “Do you honestly think they’re going to read this or that they care?”
The answer? No. I don’t expect anything. I’m just a fan!!! I said this was my therapy, get it? That said, you never know until you try…. and in the meantime I’m going to continue scratching (anxiety gives me hives as it turns out) and get my other blog finished!