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2016 Year End Katy Kafe with Roger

The other day, the second of four year end Katy Kafes was posted on DuranDuranMusic.  I just now had the chance to listen to Roger’s, which was entertaining, groan worthy, and interesting all at once.  As always, this little blog post contains only what I think are the highlights.  I highly recommend ensuring that you are a member to the fan club in order to hear the Kafes yourself.

Weather and Christmas Traditions:

The Kafe began, as usual, with a brief discussion about both the weather and the upcoming holiday.  Roger mentioned how the UK had been experiencing warm and sunny weather, which doesn’t feel very Christmas like but he was certain it would get colder soon enough.  (For the record, my weather stinks.  We have already had a bunch of snow and it is super cold (as in below zero).  It does not bode well for the rest of the winter.)  Roger’s family has not put up a tree yet.  They like to wait until it is closer to the holiday so their real tree looks good throughout.

World Event:

Roger chose two events as the big world events:  Brexit (the vote in the UK for the country to leave the European Union) and the US Presidential Election.  He claimed that both were surprising and world changing while attempting to be extremely diplomatic.  Katy, on the other hand, discussed her feeling both on Election Night and since.  While I appreciate Roger’s attempt at being neutral, I relate more to Katy.  That said, Roger shared how Donald Trump attended one of the band’s Red Carpet Massacre shows on Broadway.  Funny enough, I also was in attendance that night.  I had better seats than he did and, for some reason, I believe that he did not stay the entire time.

Favorites:

Roger mentioned two albums that had a lot of play this year for him, which were Bob Marley’s Legend and David Bowie’s Blackstar.  As far as movies go, he enjoyed both The Revenant and Eye in the Sky.  As far as Duran Duran moments, he focused on the show at New York’s Apollo and playing in Canada, especially Quebec.  It seems to me that Roger along with the rest of the band members are big on historic venues.  Personally, he was proud to be involved in the Road to Recovery project and enjoyed being an “adult” and being a producer for a day for the at-risk kids.  (Hey Roger, you are welcome to come into my classroom any day if you want to feel like an adult!  Ha!)

2017:

As the Kafe was wrapping up, Katy asked about what Roger was looking forward to in 2017.  He talked about the fact that the band is doing shows in South America and more shows in the US.  Katy asked about Japan since John mentioned playing there.  He responded that they want to play there but nothing has been locked in yet, in terms of when.  More interesting than that was when he stated that it might be time to do new material.  Hmm…clearly, 2017 might be more interesting on the Duran front than I expected!

I enjoyed Roger’s Kafe and look forward to hearing from Simon and Nick soon, too!

-A

Come Down From Your Pedestal

Never have I been so glad as to talk about something other than politics.

Like many of you, I spent my weekend glued to TV. I’m a news junkie. I won’t lie. By last night, after the debate, I needed an intervention. 🙂 It doesn’t really matter where my views lie, but I will say I’ve been outraged since Friday.

Unlike my dear friend and counterpart, I’m not really politically active. I vote, I watch the news (sometimes obsessively), I research the things I will be voting on. But I don’t campaign, I don’t volunteer, and no – I don’t donate to campaigns. I don’t put bumper stickers on my car, I refuse to put signs on my lawn. I don’t even post memes online, although I have been known to tweet a few politicians directly and let them know how I feel in no uncertain terms. Other than that, I leave “politicking”, so to speak, to others.

I miss the days before social media when it comes to politics. I had my voting positions, my friends had theirs, and no one really talked about them. They were private. I didn’t feel ashamed when some politician from my party did things that were wrong. I blamed the person, not the party, knocked the politician off of the proverbial pedestal I may have had them on, and went on about my day without scorn from others. These days, it’s very different and hard to escape.

The thing is, for both Amanda and I – Daily Duranie is our baby. It’s our safe place, and it’s kind of an island. Amanda and I have agreed (although we’ve never really had a discussion – we just “know”) to leave politics at the door. Nobody comes here looking for those types of discussions, and I’m thankful for that.  I see enough of that on Facebook and Twitter!

That said, the political climate of the world sometimes has a way of lending itself to discussions here. Yesterday for instance, Amanda talked about how the band isn’t known for saying and doing some of the things we’ve heard from other notable celebrities as of late.  I think she’s right, to my knowledge I haven’t heard those things.

I’m no innocent at the age of 46. I’m well-aware of storied tales from the 80s and beyond. I’m just glad, to some extent, that I haven’t had personal experience with much of it. When I read Amanda’s blog yesterday, I thought about how I might feel if I heard a band member talk the way Trump did in his now infamous video. I wondered if I didn’t still have the band on a pedestal.

I won’t lie, I expect certain behavior from the band. I expect them to act like gentlemen, and to behave with some decorum when needed. That doesn’t mean we don’t all have times where we’re laughing and partying it up, but for me—there’s a pretty big line between that and what was on that video, for instance. Yes, I’ve seen things in the years I’ve even been nearby the band after the shows, though.  I wouldn’t necessarily disagree that celebrities get away with a lot. Even so, I remain very thankful I haven’t seen too much. I still feel they live up to the type of people I want to be around, and yet I am fully aware that alone might be a bit of a pedestal for them.

Maybe that’s the mystique talking. Would we all still like them as much if we knew they behaved differently?  Isn’t that always the question?  We (the public, the fans) assume that the Simon Le Bon we see on stage is the same Simon Le Bon that we might run into off stage, and when it is not—hell hath no fury like a disappointed fan. Isn’t that really the issue? Very, very, few of us are able to make the distinction between the person who is onstage playing the “part” and the real person offstage. I would imagine that goes for even some celebrities themselves. If they didn’t know themselves and who they really were before fame…how on earth do they manage WITH fame?  Those pedestals can be pretty high, and for me, it’s worth considering if I’m being fair.

For me personally, these are much easier concepts to think about than politics today. I appreciate the breath of fresh air, and I hope others do too!

-R

You’re Welcome to Celebrity

I am a political person.  I hold teacher certificates in History and Political Science and has volunteered for many campaigns from local races all the way up to President.  Yet, I try to avoid political discussions here or on our Daily Duranie social media.  Fandom is supposed to be focused more on fun.  Plus, I recognize that not everyone agrees with me and I would never want to alienate anyone because of that.  (Heck, my partner-in-crime doesn’t always agree with me.)

The latest big new story about Donald Trump’s statements about sexually assaulting and objectifying women really has me thinking, especially since part of his statement in 2005 surrounded fame and celebrity-ness.  According to the article from the Guardian, which you can read here, “…a tape emerged of the Republican candidate bragging about using his fame to try and “fuck” women and groping them without waiting for their consent.  ‘When you’re a star they let you do it,’ Trump says in the recording, which was obtained by the Washington Post and released on Friday. ‘You can do anything.’  Does fame really give people or men, specifically, a free pass to commit sexual assault?  Then, I wonder what would happen if I ever found out anything close to this about Duran Duran.  Could/would I still support them?

Unfortunately, Donald Trump is probably not the first, nor will he be the last celebrity to make statements like this.  I think there are some celebrities out there who do believe that their fame gives them the opportunity to do whatever they want to whomever they want.  I’m not naive as I’m sure that for some people, fame is a turn on and they would gladly jump into bed with whatever celebrity they can find.  Of course, that is not what is going on in this situation.  This is about the lack of consent.  It isn’t about someone thinking a celebrity is hot simply because he is famous.  No, it is about the assumption that Trump felt (feels???) like fame means that he does not need to wait for consent.  He didn’t need to wait to get permission before acting in a sexual way towards someone.

In my world, consent does not change depending on who is the person giving or getting the consent.  Every person, every woman, has the right to say no.  Every person must get consent before acting sexually.  According to the Department of Justice, the definition of sexual assault is, “Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape.”  Based on this definition, sexual assault is sexual assault.  Trump’s statements on tape indicate sexual assault.  His fame is irrelevant other than the fact that fame could create more of a difference in power.  Therefore, in my eyes, fame does not excuse sexual assault.  It just makes it worse.

The next question is more challenging.  Would I be able to support Duran Duran if one of the band members was accused of something similar?  I’ll be honest.  I didn’t like Donald Trump before this.  (Actually, that might be an understatement.)  Therefore, this news did not change my thoughts or feelings about him.  My negative thoughts about him were just reinforced with this revelation.  Obviously, Duran is the opposite.  I have been a passionate fan of theirs for decades.  Finding out something even remotely similar to this would crush me.  Luckily, I can’t imagine anything so horrible to be true of my favorite band.

Yet, I have to acknowledge that they aren’t always or haven’t always been pro-woman.  The video for Electric Barbarella is pretty dang sexist, in my opinion.  The woman is designed to just clean and be a sex toy for the band without actually having or using a voice of her own.  Does that kind of sexism equal what Trump said and did to women?  I don’t think it does for a really big reason.  A video is fiction.  It isn’t real.  It is made up.  All of the people are acting.  I still don’t like it (understatement) but it isn’t the same as sexual assault.

Donald Trump wasn’t playing a character in that tape from 2005.  He was being himself.  I have never heard one story about a member of Duran Duran treating, thinking, or talking about women in such a way in their personal lives, in their real lives.  Instead, I hear them speaking highly of their wives, their daughters, their mothers as well as the women who work with them and women in the public eye.

What would happen if I did find out something horrible about a band member?  As I stated earlier, it would crush me.  I could not continue to be a fan or support someone who advocates assaulting women.  It is a line in the sand for me.  They could disagree with me about how best to approach countless political issues, but they could not be hateful of women like the Republican nominee for President.

As I continue to process this story and what it means for this year’s election and politics in general, I’m thankful that I am a fan and a supporter of a band, made up of men, who may not be perfect in their treatment of women over their careers but who, personally, have demonstrated nothing but respect for women in their lives and women in general.

-A