Then Why Do We Only Feel the Pain

Fandom can die.  It can.  I know that some of you reading this won’t believe it or will be shocked that I would type such a thing, but it can.  Let me be clear.  Death of fandom is not the same as the typically found not-as-interested fandom that happens to everyone at some point or time in long-lasting fandoms, at least in my experience and observation.  This blog isn’t about how fandom can ebb and flow from intense, can’t-get-it-out-of-your-head moments to those moments when the fandom hibernates.  My Duran fandom has had those times of hibernation but once it started, it never stopped.  It never died.  Yet, I have been involved with other fandoms that have died.  Fandom can die for individual people and it can die for the collective whole.  I’m not sure what got me thinking about this recently but I thought it might be good to acknowledge this possibility and think about how this death can happen.  A lot of my research focused on how fandom starts and remains so it is probably good to have thought about how it could end.

In my research on fandom as well as my personal experiences and observations, it seems to me that fandom can die in three basic ways.  While these ways affect individual fans, for the most part, they can affect the whole fan community when enough people are affected.  The simplest and the least painful for fandom to die from what I have seen is the slow loss of interest.  This can very easily happen when the object of the fandom stops producing new material.  For example, once TV shows are off the air or once a movie series stops getting made or even a band stops to produce new music, interest can start to fade.  Now, of course, there are some fandoms that this would be very unlikely to happen because they have been around for so long that there is so much discussion that could still take place.  For example, even if there were no more Star Trek movies or TV shows or books made, the fans would still have plenty of old ones to watch over and over again to discuss.  The same could be true for Duran.  They have 30 plus years of music and videos that we could discuss and would take up a lot of time even if they made nothing new.  Yet, for those bands, TV shows, movies that are short-lived, this loss of interest is a real possibility.  For example, as I have mentioned before I was part of the Roswell fandom.  Roswell was a TV show that ran from 1999-2002, three short years.  The fandom for me lasted past the end of the series but is not something I claim to be a part of anymore.  I don’t know a ton of people in the fandom anymore and those I do no longer talk about the show or the actors anymore.  Do I know if the fandom died beyond these individuals?  Not really but I’m willing to bet that it isn’t really thriving.  While I’m sure new people might discover the show, once they, too, have discussed all that there is to discuss, the fandom will just slowly wither away to nothingness.

It seems to me that the other ways that fandom dies for an individual are much more painful.  Fans could leave a fandom because they no longer like what is being produced by the object of the fandom.  What if Duran Duran stopped making music that you liked?  What if they stopped making music you liked in 1983 and that you haven’t liked anything since then?  Would you continue to be a big fan?  I have seen a lot of people in this position claim to be fans, claim to be part of the fandom.  Yet, they never have anything positive to say about the band.  Other fans watch their comments and think that they don’t sound like fans.  Yet, for these fans who haven’t liked anything since 1983, they are hoping, I’m sure, to hear something like what they heard 30 years ago.  They are still hoping that the band would change back to what they once were.  They are holding on with hope.  I can’t blame them.  It isn’t easy to walk away from something that you once loved.  Of course, some people would only hold on for a couple of years and others would hold on for decades.  Each person has to decide how long s/he would consider oneself to be a fan when s/he doesn’t like the music anymore and hasn’t for awhile.    In Duranland, there has been fans who walked away for this very reason.  Some might have left once the Fab Five broke up in 1985 and haven’t looked back.  Those fans did not join in the excitement over the reunion.  Others might have left when Warren did.  Maybe others tried the reunion and Astronaut but left after Red Carpet Massacre.  The music does matter to fans.  While there are many of us that really struggle to understand this because we love so much of Duran’s music, we have to be understanding that everyone does have different taste.  Obviously, the same can be true for fans of TV shows or movies.  Many times, people fall in love with a show during its first or second season when in the fourth, the show changes direction.  Some will stick with the show no matter what.  Some will leave after a few years of the change and once it is clear that the change is here to stay.  Others might leave immediately.  Again, it all depends on the individual fan.

Of course, it might not just be what the object of the fandom produces that makes some fans leave.  It might be the celebrities themselves.  Perhaps, a fan has had a lot of negative interactions with the celebrity of choice.  Again, some people would walk away after one negative interaction and some might walk away after ten poor meetings.  Still others may never walk away, but it is one reason that someone might leave.  Likewise, what if the fans find out some horrible information about the celebrity?  What if they find out that the celebrity has committed crime?  Is that a deal breaker?  Does it depend on what kind of crime?  Probably.  We all have things that we could tolerate in others and things we can’t and I would assume it is the same for those who we call idols.  My point here is just to acknowledge that not only does their work matter, but how they treat fans matters and how they are as people matters to fans.

Beyond what the object of the fandom has direct control over, there is the fan community itself, which could cause some fans to walk away.  Rhonda and I have argued over and over again that connections fans create amongst themselves are huge, are what lasts the test of time, and can be what keeps people in the fandom.  We still believe that.  Yet, we know that fan communities can be brutal.  There can be a lot of negativity from other fans.  There can be harassment and verbal abuse.  Perhaps, at times, it can get beyond the verbal as well.  All fan communities seem to have a means of creating social status, which can create pressure both for the people “at the top” and for the people hoping to get out of “the bottom”.  As I type this, I’m sure that there are many that will argue that the negativity and the social status doesn’t exist or that people can don’t see it or feel it or can choose to ignore it.  That’s fine if you think any of that.  What I am saying is that this is the reality for many fans, even if it is not you, and I have also seen this negativity in both my experiences and in my research.  For some fans, this matters.  If you don’t think it exists or can be ignored, cool.  It doesn’t matter to you, which is fine.  I’m just acknowledging what causes some fans to leave.  Thus, for some fans, this darker side to fandom affects them so much that it overshadows the positive, the good, the fun that fandom really is supposed to be about.  Some fans choose to live with it and others leave.  The same is true with the negativity that comes from outside of the fandom.  People who aren’t fans often judge fans and their behavior.  At times, this judgement becomes stereotypes and name-calling.  Some fans can tolerate that and some can’t.

When I look back at all of these reasons that people leave a fandom, it is sort of amazing that people stay at all.  Of course, we know why that is.  They stay because the positives outweigh any of these negatives.  They stay because there is more fun than frustration, more joy than sadness.  Yet, it does happen that the less-than-pleasant feelings begin to dominant.  When that happens, fandom can die.

-A

By Daily Duranie

Once upon a time, there were two Duran Duran fans. One named Amanda, the other named Rhonda. Over many vodka tonics, they would laugh about the idea of one day writing a book about their fan experiences. While that manuscript is still being composed...Rhonda thought they should write a blog. (What was she THINKING?!) Lo and behold: The Daily Duranie was born.

8 comments

  1. Strange you should write this blog today. I'm feeling rather 'after the fandom'. Not DD related, but another artist whom I've supported for the best part of 38 years. Remember pocket money folks, because I'm not *that* old, I was a mere pre-pubescent child when I first heard them.

    I was one of the winners of a competition yesterday – except I wasn't. There was 15 winners, my entry was 10th on a page of 19 names. I did the maths. Unfortunately, said artist must have flunked maths 101 because they certainly couldn't count and I was left off the eventual 15 lucky people. The page where our entries were was changed about an hour after I'd seen it. I didn't think to screenshot the original page, d'oh. I also didn't think that this artist had such little integrity.

    While I've yet to sweep the house for artist related items I shan't be playing the music anymore, let alone buying any new output or attending any more concerts. To my knowledge in the past 29 years I have not given this artist cause to think badly of me, so I'm at a loss to understand why I'm not one of the 'chosen' ones. I also feel more than cheated. Go figure. An Earth, Wind and Fire song springs to mind – After The Love Has Gone. I'm sad, but even more, I'm mad. Mad at them, mad at myself for caring. I'm 47 not 17 but it still hurts like hell.

  2. I have never wavered in my love, admiration and respect for Duran or the fans. In my teens I always thought I had to be the greatest fan, or that no one else could love Roger, etc., etc.

    But as I have aged and matured with the band, in all it's forms (even when Roger, Andy, and John were gone) there was always something in the music that truly reflected where I was in life. To tell you the truth, Duran has always been the constant in my life. Just like Penny Lane said in Almost Famous….go to the record store to visit with friends. Duran have grown and taken me with them and for that I am eternally grateful.

    Having met them was a dream come true but the true gift has been the friends I have made over the last 10 years as I traveled to see the band and have met people whom I consider family. Being a fan means so much more than liking a song or buying an album, it's an investment of your heart and soul in the band, tv show, etc. In this case it is Duran Duran. I'm not saying that everyone embraces this idea and there are some cutthroat fans who insist that they are the biggest and best fans and would rather fight than become part of the Duran family. But as you said, in my case I am 43 not 12 and I know I'm not the biggest fan but I am grateful for every experience and for every single person who has come into my life as a result of fb and other social media and all the concerts I have attended since the reunion. Duranies are family to me. They, like the band, have helped me deal with crises and have been a strong source of support especially over the last 10 years. I don't need to be the biggest fan, I have been a fan over 30 years. I don't doubt my dedication and I am grateful they are still making music and touring. Duran saved my life in many ways. I love them more now because I have perspective to acknowledge just how important they and their music are. And one day (a long long time from now hopefully) when there are no new songs, I KNOW that they will still have my heart and I will still be a fan.

  3. While I consider myself a fan of others the only fandom for me is the Duran one. I ask myself why many times and I guess it comes down to fan connection, I only have it with fellow Duranies maybe? Whilst I can definitely say I was teased for being a Duranie as a young teen to the point where I hid it my love never died, and when they seemed to disappear off my TV radar I still listened to the albums I had, and I never went into record stores (oh yeah I couldn't as they all closed down in my town!!) so I never saw all the lovely new ones they did until I saw the Greatest Hits album just before the reunion. When that happened my inner teen escaped and I trawled ebay looking for all the albums I had missed after I found them (like Ordinary World etc) on that compilation. I had been given THANKYOU on cassette that someone found at a flea market in London and that album is now one of my favourites, it got me through the nineties lol. I have met some amazing people online through the band I have also met some horrendous people too and have witness social media bullying linked to the fandom to the point where I was getting embarrassed to be a fan. I have also been very lucky to have met them and although it's something I cherish I don't push it in others faces because there is jealously and envy out there and I don't want to be seen to be bragging or have them feel like I'm rubbing their noses in it (believe me that does happen!). My most treasured time is when an online friend organised for me to join a M&G whilst I was finishing my cancer treatment she enlisted the help of Emma Freud (yes she is related to Seigmund) and together they did an amazing thing for me. My love for the band has a strong hold on my heart that even with no new music I would go and see them in concert and buy recordings just like Rolling Stone fans do.

  4. I can definitely understand how that would hurt immensely. I'm so sorry to hear that you had such an upsetting experience related to one of your fandoms. 🙁

    -A

  5. Obviously, for you (and me!), it would seem impossible to ever stop being a part of this fandom. As you pointed out, you have met many people who you now consider family and that Duran has always been a part of your life. Those connections and the duration makes it very unlikely that you would ever leave, for any reason. I get that. I feel that.

    -A

  6. I absolutely agree with you that connections to other fans is HUGE and makes all the difference! I am with you. I can't imagine not being a Duran fan but, as you pointed out, the fandom isn't pretty all the time.

    -A

  7. Thanks A. There is so much irony over the darn competition. I believe the artist in question had no idea the entry belonged to *me* as such. I doubt he knows my name, though he would know me on sight. Irony #2. Some of the winners can't make the event tomorrow so the publishers asked me, out of the blue and because they liked my entry, if I wanted to go. Far too late to find a plus one to take along and I'd just feel like an also ran. Talk about a lose/lose situation.

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