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9-Inch Singles

Every once in a while, we are thrilled to have someone write in and ask if we still accept guest blogs. Rest assured, WE DO. We love handing over the proverbial microphone to somebody new! If you feel particularly passionate about a specific Duran Duran topic, or you want to share your own point of view – don’t hesitate to write an article and send it to our gmail, we’d love to hear from you! 

Today, we are thrilled to present a brand new guest blogger – Mark Viens – who shares a new point of view about those all-important set lists.  Thanks Mark!  – A & R

By Mark Viens

I’m a lover of live music. I try to get out and see someone perform as often as possible, even if it’s just a local band in a bar. Having just come off a seven-day stretch where I found myself at three excellent concert tours, plus the touring production of Hamilton, I’m going through some music withdrawal. Usually, I have at least one in the queue, so this is a bit of an odd feeling.

Curiosity getting the better of me, I started poking around. Taking a second look at what bands are headed to the Boston area in the coming months. Acts that may slipped under my radar. That’s when I noticed Nine Inch Nails are coming in soon. They are booked for two shows at the Wang Center. The Jesus and Mary Chain are their opener. I’ve never seen either of them live, but was a casual fan of NIN in the 90’s. I still have Pretty Hate Machine and The Downward Spiral on CD around here someplace. Being one to do a little research, I popped over to Setlist.fm to see if some of my favorites were in their rotation. You never know which bands suddenly decide to stop playing their earlier work. I was near stunned by what I found.

Before I dive into what surprised me, let’s back up a bit. I’ll preface by saying I know this complaint comes up often among the Duran Duran fan base. The band we all love tends to play the same songs night after night once a tour is underway. Maybe changing one or two songs out, and modifying the order slightly. Some fans complain that they skew too much toward their newer music. Others will say they are bored with the chart toppers, and lack of deep tracks. People will go to three or more shows, then be hugely jealous of others who went to a show where a track like Hold Back the Rain made the cut.

I’ve defended this in the past saying Duran Duran are playing to the 98% of people that don’t go to multiple shows during a tour. Adding that their songs require a bit of extra prep and practice. That they need to be well-rehearsed to play along with a sequencer track of atmospheric sounds. That they are artists first and foremost, and are always going to want to present their latest works to the public. That they need to cater to the casual fans as much as their ‘regular’ fans since they will always outnumber them at a show. Wait, which band am I talking about? It could certainly be either!

What was I stunned about with Nine Inch Nails? As of this writing, in 33 shows performed so far in 2018 they have played 63 different songs.

(1) Rewind to the last years that Duran Duran had a considerable number of shows on tour. In 2016 they had 60 shows playing only 22 unique tracks.

(2) In 2017 they played 27 shows with exactly 27 songs.

(3) Keep in mind, both bands only play in the neighborhood of 20 songs a night.

 

Attached is a setlist of four recent Nine Inch Nails shows. Two cities, two shows each, on back to back nights. One pair of performances in DC, and another the month earlier at Red Rocks Amphitheater. They seem to have no issues with mixing things up on back to back nights. They leave out huge songs from their repertoire (Closer, Perfect Drug, etc.) one night, and go ahead and play them the next. The only thing constant among these four shows is finishing the main set with Head Like a Hole and finishing the encore with ‘Hurt’.

 

Playing multiple nights back to back at a particular venue is something Duran Duran do from time to time. However, it’s been six years since John Taylor said “More performances in fewer places”,(4) but the band hasn’t really acted on that idea in a meaningful way.

The boys from Birmingham could learn something here as they are (hopefully) planning for a tour to coincide with ‘DD40′. They don’t always need to play wall-to-wall hits to appease the masses. It really is okay to leave fans, die-hard or casual, wanting more.

Could they reach the point of making it clear ahead of time what the shows will be like? Maybe announce a series of two-night stands playing the complete first album plus another 10 or 12 songs one night, then the next night the Rio album with an even slightly different assortment of songs? I’d be at both, you can count on that. Maybe the band will even entice a few of those casual fans to snag a ticket for a second night before they pack up the gear and leave town.

 

Mark is a Graphic Artist and a long-time fan of Duran Duran. His first concert was on their 1984 Sing Blue Silver tour, and he has seen the band live on nearly every New England appearance since then. Mark currently lives in New Hampshire, and isn’t afraid to travel to see a show.

Just a number on the metal fence

2018 will mark the 40th anniversary of the band’s humble beginnings in Birmingham, UK.  When I stop and think about that, I’m convinced of two things: 1. There’s obviously been a miscount. 2. Time really does fly.

There is a group out there that is working to collect data from fans-at-large in order to put together some suggestions that the band may or may not consider if they should decide to put together a tour or collectors editions from their catalog, etc.  I think it’s great to try to gather some sort of collective voice from the fans—after all, it is something Amanda and I have been doing for the better part of nearly seven years now.

When we first began the blog, I really don’t know that we gave thought or credence to the idea that the band would actually HEAR us. We just knew that there was a lack of a central…place…for lack of better words, for fans to gather and really talk about Duran Duran fandom.  Message boards were pretty scattered, fanzines didn’t really allow for discussion. Facebook was Facebook, and even that has changed quite a bit over the period of time the blog has been around, and rest assured it has evolved, too. Over the past four years or so (give or take), Amanda has asked daily questions and polls.  While she’s tried to do a variety of topics, a lot of them have had to do with songs, set lists, etc.  What is your favorite album? What song do you wish they’d play live, and so on. She’s great at being able to take that information and see trends, and I love the way she breaks it down in her wrap-up blogs on the weekends.

So, when I stumbled upon word that a group that is working to compile similar information for the possibility of shows and other special releases in 2018, I was curious. Amanda has done survey after survey in seven years, and while we could always use more participation – we have a reasonably sized sampling of those who are active on social media, and I remember how clear some of the winning songs have been over the years.  I wondered if they would get different answers than we might have gotten over the years for similar questions. Would their sampling be all that much different?  How would that change the results? I was looking forward to reading more about it all.

Amanda and I never did our daily questions with the intention that the information found would make its way back to the band. Unless management reads the blog, it isn’t like we’re sending a dossier to the band each year.  Yeah, we joke a lot, much of it being tongue-in-cheek, but we don’t expect much. For a time we were overly hopeful with grandiose dreams of meeting the band and somehow getting dream careers out of this – but believe me when I say that our feet are firmly planted back on the ground. (I almost said Planet Earth….) The blog is our hobby and about the only thing we take seriously about it is our dedication to writing it each day.

Yesterday I stumbled across what is apparently the top 10 list from the survey that @DD40_2018 compiled from the request survey they devised.

  1. The Man Who Stole a Leopard
  1. Serious/Friends of Mine/Hold Back the Rain

  2. Election Day/New Religion

  3. The Chauffeur

  4. Secret Oktober

  5. Do You Believe in Shame

10 The Seventh Stranger

I was surprised that such a relatively new song like The Man Who Stole a Leopard would take away the entire survey, being the number one most requested song. When I looked back at some of the surveys we’d done in the past – specifically those that discussed set lists, The Man Who Stole a Leopard was always requested, but in the overall scheme of things, the song didn’t even make the cutoff for the 17-song setlist that Amanda compiled based on our survey results in October of 2016. (I’ve copied and pasted that list below).

Planet Earth
All You Need Is Now
New Religion
Wild Boys
The Chauffeur
New Moon on Monday
Save a Prayer
Pressure Off
Hold Back the Rain
Nice
Union of the Snake
Before the Rain
Come Undone
Rio
What Are the Chances
A View to a Kill
Paper Gods

Some of the rest of their top 10 list are the usual suspects, including Secret Oktober, Friends of Mine, Hold Back the Rain… and only one of those is included on the fan-requested set list we compiled. I see that What Are the Chances and Paper Gods are both included in our results and I have to wonder if those results would come out the same way if asked again tomorrow. I would bet not. Even so, the lists are very different.

Why is that? Well, to begin with it could be the survey itself.  As I recall, we had participants create their own set list back in October. So people sent in their own set lists, made from whatever songs they wanted – and I believe Amanda kept the framework to 17 songs. In contrast, the DD40_2018 survey had people choose the songs they wanted to hear most off of each album, but the songs were not ranked in terms of importance. So for example, if you wanted to hear five songs off of the first album – you clicked on those five songs and then moved on to the next album. There was no way to indicate which song(s) you might want to hear most. We’ve done similar in the past – and in every case, no matter how we’ve worked the survey, the song that wins by a landslide, is New Religion.  In their results, it landed at number five, behind a few songs that didn’t even make the final setlist in our case. Fascinating, right?

I also wonder if knowing that these suggestions will be presented to management for touring consideration made a difference to respondents.  In our case, the surveys have always been done for fun with no promise of the band paying any sort of attention. Does that make a difference in the way people answer? I don’t know, but it’s a possibility.

The sampling of participants for surveys counts as well.  As I’ve noted in the past, different people are drawn to different places on the web. Those that read here might not be on a message board, and those on Twitter might not be as active on Facebook, etc.  I also think the sample size matters as well – the more respondents a survey has, and the closer that sampling is to the actual demographic ratio of the fans, better the chance that the results will accurately represent our community. It isn’t always easy to get people to respond to a survey.

I’m not here to suggest that one method or one set of results outweighs another, that’s silly.  My interest is only to note the differences in the results. I might even make a broader claim, as it turns out, that perhaps no one survey is going to really provide an accurate assessment of what the fan community at large wants. What that may or may not mean with management actually taking such suggestions seriously, I don’t know.  Admittedly, Daily Duranie is not in such discussions with management or anyone else – we just write our blogs and do our surveys with the same basic goals in mind we always have: to provide a place for discussion and to make fandom just a little more fun.

-R

Vodka Friday Episode 3

Happy Friday!!

 

We had a guest with us today for Vodka Friday – our friend Heather!!  We chatted about a lot of things, from tours and when we became fans to the UK tour that wasn’t…. and hopefully no one falls asleep!

Happy Easter to those who observe, have a FANTASTIC time at the shows to those who are going….and a very hearty CHEERS to the rest of us poor saps stuck at home!!!

A &R

Katy Kafe January 2016 Highlights

Did you get a chance to watch (yes, I said “watch”!) the latest Katy Kafe that was posted yesterday?  If you are anything like me, I struggled to view it.  After asking on Facebook and Twitter, here is the information I received.  Those who were able to watch it used older devices.  For example, someone tried on her Mac and iPhone5 with no luck, but she was able to watch it on her iPod Touch4.  Likewise, I tried on my Mac, a PC, and my iPhone6 with no luck.  After reading about the iPod Touch4, I decided to try my iPad, which is about 5 years old.  Guess what?  It works.  Now, I realize that everyone still might not access to an older device.  I emailed customer service at the fan community website about the problem and they promised to get back in touch with me once their tech team looked into the problem.  Hopefully, my highlights here will hold people over until everyone can watch it for themselves, which I highly recommend.  I ALWAYS recommend getting a membership in order to hear/watch the Katy Kafes since our blog posts just offer some highlights and commentary.  They are in no way a complete transcript.

I was happy to hear that there was a new Kafe out since the Duran camp has been very quiet for the month of January.  I found myself wondering what the band might be up to and thinking.  I was hoping that this Kafe might offer some insight, especially since it is a video one!  Well, this Kafe did not disappoint, even if the majority of it was not focused on Duran Duran, specifically.

David Bowie’s Death

John talked about when he found out about David’s death and how he won’t ever forget it.  He goes on to describe Bowie as a “creative parent”, which I found very logical.  He did after all influence not only Duran Duran but so many and it does make sense then when John said that losing him was like “losing a family member.”  John and Katy went on to discuss the extent of his creativity and the extent of his influence.  David’s album, Blackstar, was discussed as well and John said that he was enjoying it and that it felt “fitting” in light of his passing.  Two parts of the conversation really grabbed me.  First,  John discussed how David had been leading a very quiet life with his family the last few years and how that made John “happy”.  According to John, he was able to focus on “what was really important to him” rather than things like going to big events and touring.  Based on this, I wonder if that would be John’s choice on how to live his life if he found himself in a similar situation.  The other part of the conversation that spoke to me was when Katy asked if John was reading articles about Bowie as a fan or as a peer, John said as a fan as “you never able to shake that off” but that also he knew him as a person.  As John talked about Bowie’s death, I couldn’t help but to think that he understands how many of us would feel if something happened to one of them.   He talked about how it was like a part of them had died because he mattered so much.  It caused them to stop and think and reflect about their own lives while dealing with negative feelings of sadness and fear.  John talked about how he has to process the loss of HIS David Bowie and when he gets with Nick, they will talk about the loss of THEIR David Bowie.  This is exactly how it would be for Rhonda and myself if/when we lose someone connected to Duran Duran. When John articulates things like this, I really know that he GETS fandom.  He really does.

Upcoming Tour and Cover Songs

While the majority of the Kafe focused on David Bowie’s death, Katy did ask one big question about the upcoming tour.  Will there be a tribute to David Bowie?  John said that they would discuss it but haven’t yet.  Katy then asked which was the favorite David Bowie cover song that they did.  John began by listing all of the ones they did.  Here’s the thing.  The band played a LOT more Bowie songs that I think any of us knew.  Obviously, many were not recorded.  I would love, love, love for them to record all of the Bowie songs that they have done and release it for all of us to hear/have/treasure.  Which one was his favorite, though?  None as David Bowie was a hard act to follow.  On a different note, John is looking forward to the upcoming tour since the audiences were so great in the fall!  He is also anxious to “dive back” into Paper Gods.  Spoiler alert  John says that he does not see the setlist changing from what it was.  I’m not super happy to hear that as I always want to see/hear new stuff.

I, for one, am glad to have taken the time to really watch and listen to this Kafe.  I feel like it has helped me process David Bowie’s death a little more, which I am grateful for.

-A

 

 

This Week in Duranland – October 20, 2014 to October 26, 2014

It is Sunday!  It is time to recap the week!  As always, please let me know if I missed anything!

“Lorde’s ‘Hunger Games’ Soundtrack featuring “Kingdom” with Simon Le Bon and Charli XCX
Lorde has curated the soundtrack for The Hunger Games:  Mockingjay, Pt. 1.  This soundtrack will feature none other than Duran’s very own Simon Le Bon.  Simon has teamed up with Charli XCX to do a song called “Kingdom”.  This soundtrack is due out on November 17th.  For all the details, check out the press release and this blog post.  You can also read an article on billboard.com.

October Collector’s Corner
This month on dd.com, the collector’s corner focuses on Simon and all of his different projects outside of Duran Duran.  If you are someone who is a big Simon fan or someone who wants to know the complete history of the band, I recommend checking it out here.

Live from London
Can you believe that it has been 9 years since Live from London was released?  I was very lucky to be able to go see this live concert in the movie theater, which I wrote about here.

Unstaged
Apparently, Unstaged is now available on DVD in Australia.  Has anyone in Australia purchased it?  I would love a review!

DJ Roger
Apparently, Roger did a little DJ gig at a charity event for the Duke of Edinburgh in London.  This organization focuses on young people from 14 to 24 to help them gain the necessary skills for work and life.  I would head to Duran’s Facebook page to see a picture of Roger at work!

Ask Katy
Have you checked out the Ask Katy questions on dd.com lately?  See what was asked about songs from Seven and the Ragged Tiger being played live and the band’s response here.

Making Patterns Rhyme: a tribute to Duran Duran
Did you see that the entire 22 track album is available for pre-order on iTunes?  It is available October 28th!

John Taylor Supporting Henley Recovery Cafe
John was in the news this week for supporting the recovery and peer support program of the Henley Recovery Cafe as he visited and shared his experiences in recovery.

Yasmin’s Birthday Surprise
Check out the band’s Facebook page to see a picture of Simon and Yasmin at Yasmin’s Surprise Birthday Party!  We wish her a happy one!

Next week should be a busy one with the release of the tribute album and Duran Duran in Austin!  Until then…

-A